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ИДЕАЛЬНЫЙ КОРАБЛЬ ДЛЯ ЦУСИМЫ - ДЕЖАВЮ
Борис, Х-Мерлин: УТРОМ ПРИШЛА МЕСCАГА ОТ COMTE - МОЛ, ЕСТЬ ГИПЕР-ПРОЕКТ БРОНЕНОСЦА: ВЫКЛАДЫВАЮ: И РИСУНОК ТРЁХЛЕТНЕЙ ДАВНОСТИ C АРХИВА ФОРУМА:
Krom Kruah: Кстати (хотя это не для Цусимы), но вот что вышло по мотивах Ша Юлиня (помнится в глубокой древности упоминал он подобного шипа) Т.к. пошло про рейдеров: Громобой 2, Россия броненосный крейсер-рейдер laid down 1900 (Engine как у Баяна) Displacement: 9 188 t light; 9 669 t standard; 10 606 t normal; 11 356 t full load Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught 462.60 ft / 462.60 ft x 58.07 ft x 25.59 ft (normal load) 141.00 m / 141.00 m x 17.70 m x 7.80 m Armament: 2 - 7.99" / 203 mm guns in single mounts, 255.24lbs / 115.77kg shells, 1900 Model Breech loading guns in deck mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 8 - 7.99" / 203 mm guns in single mounts, 255.24lbs / 115.77kg shells, 1900 Model Breech loading guns in casemate mounts on side, all amidships 16 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1900 Model Quick firing guns in casemate mounts on side, evenly spread 8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas 12 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1900 Model Quick firing guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread Weight of broadside 3 550 lbs / 1 610 kg Shells per gun, main battery: 120 4 - 17.7" / 450 mm submerged torpedo tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 5.98" / 152 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m Ends: 5.00" / 127 mm 134.51 ft / 41.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m Upper: 5.00" / 127 mm 462.60 ft / 141.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 5.00" / 127 mm 2.24" / 57 mm - 2nd: 5.00" / 127 mm 2.24" / 57 mm - 3rd: 2.99" / 76 mm - - 4th: 1.00" / 25 mm - - - Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 7.01" / 178 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20 747 ihp / 15 478 Kw = 21.50 kts Range 7 200nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1 687 tons) Complement: 522 - 679 Cost: £1.017 million / $4.068 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 444 tons, 4.2 % Armour: 2 813 tons, 26.5 % - Belts: 1 543 tons, 14.5 % - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Armament: 385 tons, 3.6 % - Armour Deck: 812 tons, 7.7 % - Conning Tower: 73 tons, 0.7 % Machinery: 2 305 tons, 21.7 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 626 tons, 34.2 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 419 tons, 13.4 % Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 % Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 11 196 lbs / 5 078 Kg = 43.9 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33 Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m Roll period: 12.7 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00 Hull form characteristics: Hull has raised forecastle Block coefficient: 0.540 Length to Beam Ratio: 7.97 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 21.51 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -25.00 degrees Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length): - Stem: 24.61 ft / 7.50 m - Forecastle (20 %): 23.95 ft / 7.30 m (22.97 ft / 7.00 m aft of break) - Mid (50 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m - Quarterdeck (15 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m - Stern: 22.97 ft / 7.00 m - Average freeboard: 23.22 ft / 7.08 m Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.4 % - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155.6 % Waterplane Area: 18 573 Square feet or 1 725 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 % Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 502 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0.97 - Longitudinal: 3.69 - Overall: 1.11 Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather Возьму да изуродую таким образом Громобоя!
Krom Kruah: Доп. пояснения: Короче - шип длиной Громобоя, но неск. уже и легче. Высота надв. борта 7 м по всей длине, в носу - неск. выше (мореходный по самое не хочу!) . Котлы как для Пересвета с 3 башен по типу баяновский 2 пояса длиной целого корпуса, 2-203 мм в пал. установках и 8 (по 4 на борт) в казематахр 16 (по 8 на борту) - 120 мм и 12-75 мм. 21.5 уз. 7200 миль дальности (при 5500 миль - 22 узла). Пояс 152 мм, оконечности и верхн. пояс - 127 мм, как и казематы и щиты ГК. 2 палубы (в 25 и 37 мм). Скос 60 мм.
41-й мученик: Krom Kruah: Óäèâèòåñü ñõîäñòâàìè! Íè÷óòü! Ïî ìîåìó ñêðîìíîìó ìíåíèþ "Áðàíäåíáóðãè" áûëè âåñüìà ñîâåðøåííûìè ïðîòîòèïàìè, íî íà òîò êîíêðåòíûé ìîìåíò ïðåæäåâðåìåííûìè. Ëèíåéíî-ðàâíîìåðíàÿ ñõåìà ïðåäïîëàãàåò ëèíåéíóþ òàêòèêó áîÿ, à íà ìîìåíò "çàêëàäêè" êîðàáëåé äëÿ ïåðèîäà Ðß îíà åù¸ íå âåðíóëàñü (?): âñå òÿãîòåëè ê èäåå ñâàëêè èëè èíäèâèäóàëüíûõ äóýëåé (âïðî÷åì, àíãëè÷àíå ïîêàçàëè, ÷òî ïðè äîëæíîì ìàíåâðèðîâàíèè òàðàíèòü ìîæíî è â ëèíèè). Äëÿ òàêèõ áî¸â ðîìá èëè òðåóãîëüíèê âûãëÿäèò áîëåå ðàçóìíûì: áîëüøèå ñåêòîðà îáñòðåëà, ñèëüíûé ïðîäîëüíûé îãîíü è îäíà áàøíÿ "â çàïàñå" íà âñÿêèé ñëó÷àé (íå äëÿ ñðàæåíèÿ â ñòðîþ). Êðîìå ýòîãî â Âàøåì ïðîåêòå ìíå âèäÿòñÿ òðè íåäîñòàòêà: àðòèëëåðèéñêèå ïîãðåáà êîíöåâûõ áàøåí ïðèìûêàþùèå ê áîðòàì (ÿ ïîñòàðàëñÿ äîáàâèòü ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå 2 ìåòðà óãëÿ, õîòÿ âñ¸ ðàâíî îñòàþòñÿ ðèñêîâàíûå "äûðû"), áðîíåâàÿ ïàëóáà íå âîçâûøàþùàÿñÿ íàä ÊÂË è ìàëîå êîëè÷åñòâî ñêîðîñòðåëüíûõ ñòâîëîâ (áîþñü, ïî ýòîé ïðè÷èíå ìîé ïðîåêò òîæå áûë áû ç
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